I guess that's worth a paragraph or two of explanation. The GRF truly has gone through a long maturity phase. Some may recall that Ascend purchased a company called Netstar. They made the Gigarouter, a product they started working on several years ago. Ascend simply repackaged the Gigarouter as the GRF. The chassis changed and much of the ancillary software changed, but the core architecture stayed pretty much the same. Anyone who has truly explored the full depth of a device like the GRF or the upcoming Cisco 12000 must appreciate the massive amount of development effort it takes to mature it. Years of realtime and many, many thousands of person-hours are required. Then, months and months of operation in a real network to help shake out the bugs. Now Cisco has many years of experience in the router business and they shouldn't require years to make the 12000 work well, but perhaps one or two? We'll see. ++ Ascend Users Mailing List ++ To unsubscribe: send unsubscribe to ascend-users-request@bungi.com To get FAQ'd: <<A HREF="http://www.nealis.net/ascend/faq">http://www.nealis.net/ascend/faq</A>> </PRE> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <HR> <STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A HREF="msg10968.html">Re: (ASCEND) BGP 4 ?</A></STRONG></LI> <UL> <LI><EM>From</EM>: Matt Holdrege <matt@ascend.com></LI> </UL> <LI><STRONG><A HREF="msg10975.html">Re: (ASCEND) BGP 4 ?</A></STRONG></LI> <UL> <LI><EM>From</EM>: Paul Monaghan <paulm@ican.net></LI> </UL> </UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <HR> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg11003.html">Re: (ASCEND) Pipeline family and Always On/DI?</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg11004.html">(ASCEND) Maturity or Second Childhood</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg07697.html">(ASCEND) What the big ones do</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="maillist.html#11002"><STRONG>Main</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="threads.html#11002"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> </BODY> </HTML>