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From: owner-ascend-users-digest@max.bungi.com
<owner-ascend-users-digest@max.bungi.com>
To: ascend-users-digest@max.bungi.com <ascend-users-digest@max.bungi.com>
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 3:04 AM
Subject: ascend-users-digest V96 #1306


>
>ascend-users-digest       Thursday, 27 August 1998      Volume 96 : Number
1306
>
>In this issue:
>
>(ASCEND) Fatal Error's on 2.1.9
>(ASCEND) Serious performance problems with Netbios and MAX4000
>(ASCEND) Need Help on OSFP for MAX400
>RE: (ASCEND) Max flooding our ethernet backbone
>RE: (ASCEND) Max flooding our ethernet backbone
>Re: (ASCEND) dns server negotiation?
>RE: (ASCEND) CFD, Ascend and CT3?
>Re: (ASCEND) Init string for Motorola Bitsurfr EZ
>Re: (ASCEND) Max flooding our ethernet backbone
>Re: (ASCEND) dns server negotiation?
>(ASCEND) MRTG with BSTDX-8/9000
>(ASCEND) stacking
>Re: (ASCEND) stacking
>(ASCEND) Fatal Error's on 2.1.9
>(ASCEND) 4048 V6.1.7 MPP problem
>(ASCEND) String for modem
>(ASCEND) NFAS examples?
>Re: (ASCEND) Fatal Error's on 2.1.9
>(ASCEND) For sale: Ascend Pipeline 25-1U-FX
>Re: (ASCEND) Fatal Error's on 2.1.9
>(ASCEND) String for modem
>Re: (ASCEND) For sale: Ascend Pipeline 25-1U-FX
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>From: Jason Nealis <nealis@babylon.erols.com>
>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 02:52:19 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: (ASCEND) Fatal Error's on 2.1.9
>
>Well, I've had a couple of these now :
>
>SYSTEM IS UP:  Index: 100  Revision: 2.1.9  Shelf 1 (tntsr)
>        Date: 08/25/1998.       Time: 21:52:34
>
>
>       WARNING:  Index: 106  Revision: 2.1.9  Slot 1/9 (tntmdm56k)
>        Date: 08/26/1998.       Time: 08:40:09
>        Location: 100b7b28 100b05b8 1006f250 00000000 00000000 00000000
>
>
>   FATAL ERROR:  Index:   8  Revision: 2.1.9  Slot 1/9 (tntmdm56k)
>        Date: 08/26/1998.       Time: 08:42:32
>        Location: 10073f50 00000000 1007490c 10073ff8 10073484 100734e4
>
>Config is 12 PRI's, w/ 32M Dram card. Not Running NFAS.
>
>
>Watch out :)
>
>Jason Nealis
>Director Internet Operations / Network Access
>Erols Internet (An RCN Company)
>
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>------------------------------
>
>From: Winfried Haug <haug@seicom.net>
>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:43:36 +0200 (CEST)
>Subject: (ASCEND) Serious performance problems with Netbios and MAX4000
>
>Hello.
>
>last week we noticed raising TTLs on the local (!) Ethernet to one
>of our MAX4000 routers.
>We normally had  under 10ms and it raised to 2000-4000 (!) ms for
>a few minutes. We changed the hardware but the effect did not disappear.
>
>Even on the console port i had to wait 4-5 seconds (!) to move from one
>window to the next one in the configuration screen.
>
>
>Trafmon on my Freebsd systems noticed one (!) User to send huge amount
>of netbios packets to the broadcast Adress of our IP Pool.
>
>e.G we assign 192.168.10.X for dialup users, this user sends netbios
>packets to 192.168.10.255.
>The user had a ISDN connection and he has sent with 6500cps.
>
>What can be done with this effect ? Is there a option to discard netbois
>packets ?
>
>Winfried
>
>PS: pleae dont tell me to buy the firewall hash code. Just to filter
>    a few packets, i am not willig to give out 3000$ :_)
>
>
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>------------------------------
>
>From: David Ramahefason <rama@easynet.fr>
>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:52:23 +0200
>Subject: (ASCEND) Need Help on OSFP for MAX400
>
>Hi,
>
>I'm tryning to set up OSPF on a Max4000, but got
>problem concerning static routes owned by the max..
>when I do a sh ospf rt this is what I got:
>
>195.114.82.32/32   imported: 2
>
>The router doesn't seem to announce its Wan static
>routes thrue the ethernet interface...
>What do I need to do to get this settle ??
>nb: priority for this router is 0 because I don't
>want him to be a DR.
>the release I'm running is 6.0.8.
>
>Thanks for helping.
>
>
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>------------------------------
>
>From: Adam Neat <adamneat@ipax.com.au>
>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:56:30 +1000
>Subject: RE: (ASCEND) Max flooding our ethernet backbone
>
>On Thursday, August 27, 1998 1:35 PM, Jason Nealis
>[SMTP:nealis@babylon.erols.com] wrote:
>>
>>  Any chance you could get a linux box on the segment and run tcpdump, or
>> run some sort of sniffer on that physical segment?
>>
>> Jason Nealis
>> Director Internet Operations / Network Access
>> Erols Internet (An RCN Company)
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, Gavin Cato wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Everyone,
>> >
>> > We have 2 Max4000's in one of our POP's that feed into a bay 350T
10/100
>> > switch.
>> >
>> > Since yesterday morning one of the Maxes is flooding our Ethernet
backbone
>> > in intervals of roughly 10-15 seconds (sometimes slightly longer)
>> >
>> > When it does it all the lights on the hub light up & stay *constant*
>> >
>> > My MRTG graph shows that when it happens every single machine connected
to
>> > the ethernet suddently shoots up by about 50-60kb/s
>> >
>> > If I unplug the Max during one of these spurts, it immediately goes
away.
>> > If I unplug it & leave it out - everything runs fine.
>> >
>> > The MRTG graph that I have that sums up all 16 ports on the hub into 1
>> > graph shows it typically sending about 700kb/s. Typically this hub
sends
>> > about 60-100kb/s
>> >
>> > Any ideas? I'm running out of things to do. Both Maxes are running
6.0.2
>> > and have been fine for serveral months without changing anything.
Remember
>> > only 1 is playing up.
>> >
>> > I upgraded it to 6.1.7 but that didn't change the situation so I
>> > downgraded it back to 6.0.2
>> >
>> > Any clues?
>> >
>> > thanks
>> >
>> >
>> > Gavin Cato
>> > System Administrator
>> > Geko Internet P/L
>> > (02) 9439-1999
>> >
>> > On Wed, 26 Aug 1998 msheehan@sctcorp.com wrote:
>> >
>> > > Upgraded our Max 4048 from 6.1.3 to 6.1.7.  It's been in
>> > > production for 2 days.  Just received the following fatal error
>> > > and reboot after 6 day of uptime.  Seem to happen while I was in
>> > > the Telnet screen and went to put in the security profile 2
>> > > password.  Might have been a coincidence.  Just wanted to pass
>> > > along for those thinking of upgrading.
>> > >
>> > > SYSTEM IS UP:  Index: 100  Load: ftk.m40 Revision: 6.1.7
>> > >         Date: 08/19/1998.       Time: 14:43:24
>> > >
>> > > FATAL ERROR:  Index: 1  Load: ftk.m40 Revision: 6.1.7
>> > >         Date: 08/26/1998.       Time: 15:55:15
>> > >         Location: b011722c b0118778 b004c3bc b00d0718 b004cddc 00
>> > > 000000
>> > >
>> > > SYSTEM IS UP:  Index: 100  Load: ftk.m40 Revision: 6.1.7
>> > >         Date: 08/26/1998.       Time: 15:57:26
>> > >
>> > > Maryann Sheehan
>> > > SCT Corp.
>> > > msheehan@sctcorp.com
>> > >
>> > >
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>> > >
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>
>Sorry,
>
>I forgot to say, its about every 12 - 15 seconds for us too. It can
sometimes
>blow out the ethernet to 130 seconds for an icmp echo
>
>Adam
>
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>------------------------------
>
>From: Adam Neat <adamneat@ipax.com.au>
>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:55:41 +1000
>Subject: RE: (ASCEND) Max flooding our ethernet backbone
>
>On Thursday, August 27, 1998 1:35 PM, Jason Nealis
>[SMTP:nealis@babylon.erols.com] wrote:
>>
>>  Any chance you could get a linux box on the segment and run tcpdump, or
>> run some sort of sniffer on that physical segment?
>>
>> Jason Nealis
>> Director Internet Operations / Network Access
>> Erols Internet (An RCN Company)
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, Gavin Cato wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Everyone,
>> >
>> > We have 2 Max4000's in one of our POP's that feed into a bay 350T
10/100
>> > switch.
>> >
>> > Since yesterday morning one of the Maxes is flooding our Ethernet
backbone
>> > in intervals of roughly 10-15 seconds (sometimes slightly longer)
>> >
>> > When it does it all the lights on the hub light up & stay *constant*
>> >
>> > My MRTG graph shows that when it happens every single machine connected
to
>> > the ethernet suddently shoots up by about 50-60kb/s
>> >
>> > If I unplug the Max during one of these spurts, it immediately goes
away.
>> > If I unplug it & leave it out - everything runs fine.
>> >
>> > The MRTG graph that I have that sums up all 16 ports on the hub into 1
>> > graph shows it typically sending about 700kb/s. Typically this hub
sends
>> > about 60-100kb/s
>> >
>> > Any ideas? I'm running out of things to do. Both Maxes are running
6.0.2
>> > and have been fine for serveral months without changing anything.
Remember
>> > only 1 is playing up.
>> >
>> > I upgraded it to 6.1.7 but that didn't change the situation so I
>> > downgraded it back to 6.0.2
>> >
>> > Any clues?
>> >
>> > thanks
>> >
>> >
>> > Gavin Cato
>> > System Administrator
>> > Geko Internet P/L
>> > (02) 9439-1999
>> >
>> > On Wed, 26 Aug 1998 msheehan@sctcorp.com wrote:
>> >
>> > > Upgraded our Max 4048 from 6.1.3 to 6.1.7.  It's been in
>> > > production for 2 days.  Just received the following fatal error
>> > > and reboot after 6 day of uptime.  Seem to happen while I was in
>> > > the Telnet screen and went to put in the security profile 2
>> > > password.  Might have been a coincidence.  Just wanted to pass
>> > > along for those thinking of upgrading.
>> > >
>> > > SYSTEM IS UP:  Index: 100  Load: ftk.m40 Revision: 6.1.7
>> > >         Date: 08/19/1998.       Time: 14:43:24
>> > >
>> > > FATAL ERROR:  Index: 1  Load: ftk.m40 Revision: 6.1.7
>> > >         Date: 08/26/1998.       Time: 15:55:15
>> > >         Location: b011722c b0118778 b004c3bc b00d0718 b004cddc 00
>> > > 000000
>> > >
>> > > SYSTEM IS UP:  Index: 100  Load: ftk.m40 Revision: 6.1.7
>> > >         Date: 08/26/1998.       Time: 15:57:26
>> > >
>> > > Maryann Sheehan
>> > > SCT Corp.
>> > > msheehan@sctcorp.com
>> > >
>> > >
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>> > >
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>
>Hi Gavin and all
>
>We've had the same problem with Max 1800's for about 2 months now at a
remote
>pop.
>
>The site runs 6 max 1800's a few ciscos and some unix boxes.
>
>We've nailed it down to arp storms. Although, we cant work out WHY its
causing
>it and asking ascend is having it fall on deaf ears.
>
>Try this: ping the suspect max and keep an eye on it. Does the icmp times
go
>up? If so, run a package (WebBoy is a good one) that watches for network
>traffic type and see if RARP requests fire up when the ethernet becomes
>slogged.
>
>5 bucks says thats the problem! :-)
>
>Regards
>
>adam
>
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>------------------------------
>
>From: Marc Ikemann <Marc.Ikemann@de.uu.net>
>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:36:45 +0200 (MET DST)
>Subject: Re: (ASCEND) dns server negotiation?
>
>Hi,
>
>On 25-Aug-98 Kevin A. Smith wrote:
>
>>>What are the RADIUS attributes for this DNS server negotiation?
>
>>
>>#    Support DNS server addresses per user
>>#
>> ATTRIBUTE Ascend-Client-Primary-DNS      135  ipaddr
>> ATTRIBUTE Ascend-Client-Secondary-DNS    136  ipaddr
>> ATTRIBUTE Ascend-Client-Assign-DNS 137   integer
>
>
>does this work for anybody of you? I've tested that with
>the following profile and 5.0Ap42, 5.0Ap51 and 6.0.10,
>on a MAX 4000 but I'm not able to assign name servers
>via RADIUS.
>
>dns-test        Password="XXX"
>        User-Service=Framed-User,
>        Framed-Protocol=PPP,
>        Ascend-Client-Primary-DNS=192.168.0.1,
>        Ascend-Client-Secondary-DNS=192.168.0.2,
>        Ascend-Client-Assign-DNS=DNS-Assign-Yes
>
>The settings on the MAX are:
>
>90-800 Mod Config
> DNS...
>   Pri DNS=10.1.1.1
>   Sec DNS=10.1.1.2
>   Allow As Client DNS=Yes
>
>When I dial into the MAX using the dns-test profile I
>still get the 10.1.1.x name servers (the ppp trace was
>made on the max) :
>
>RECV-6:(task:IP Control Protocol  Configure-Request #1
>  02 IP Compression Protocol 00.2d.0f.01.
>  03 IP Address 0.0.0.0.
>  81 Primary DNS Server 0.0.0.0.
>  82 Primary NBNS Address 0.0.0.0.
>  83 Secondary DNS Server 0.0.0.0.
>  84 Secondary NBNS Server 0.0.0.0.
>
>XMIT-6:(task:IP Control Protocol  Configure-Reject #1
>  82 Primary NBNS Address 0.0.0.0.
>  84 Secondary NBNS Server 0.0.0.0.
>
>[...]
>
>RECV-6:(task:IP Control Protocol  Configure-Request #3
>  02 IP Compression Protocol 00.2d.0f.01.
>  03 IP Address 0.0.0.0.
>  81 Primary DNS Server 0.0.0.0.
>  83 Secondary DNS Server 0.0.0.0.
>
>XMIT-6:(task:IP Control Protocol  Configure-Nak #3
>  03 IP Address 10.10.10.1.
>  81 Primary DNS Server 10.1.1.1.
>  83 Secondary DNS Server 10.1.1.2.
>
>RECV-6:(task:IP Control Protocol  Configure-Request #4
>  02 IP Compression Protocol 00.2d.0f.01.
>  03 IP Address 10.10.10.1.
>  81 Primary DNS Server 10.1.1.1.
>  83 Secondary DNS Server 10.1.1.2.
>
>XMIT-6:(task:IP Control Protocol  Configure-Ack #4
>  02 IP Compression Protocol 00.2d.0f.01.
>  03 IP Address 10.10.10.1.
>  81 Primary DNS Server 10.1.1.1.
>  83 Secondary DNS Server 10.1.1.2.
>
>When I disable "Allow As Client", I get NO name server at all:
>
>RECV-5:(task:IP Control Protocol  Configure-Request #1
>  02 IP Compression Protocol 00.2d.0f.01.
>  03 IP Address 0.0.0.0.
>  81 Primary DNS Server 0.0.0.0.
>  82 Primary NBNS Address 0.0.0.0.
>  83 Secondary DNS Server 0.0.0.0.
>  84 Secondary NBNS Server 0.0.0.0.
>
>XMIT-5:(task:IP Control Protocol  Configure-Reject #1
>  81 Primary DNS Server 0.0.0.0.
>  82 Primary NBNS Address 0.0.0.0.
>  83 Secondary DNS Server 0.0.0.0.
>  84 Secondary NBNS Server 0.0.0.0.
>
>
>In the radif output I can't see, that the MAX processes these
>RADIUS attributes in any kind (but I'm unsure, if I should
>see it?!) :
>
>RADIF:_radiusReq: id 24 <9:dns-test>, starting timer (10 sec)
>[...]
>RADIF: Authentication Ack
>RADIF: attribute 24, len 2, 06 06 00 00
>RADIF: _setProfile(state=), data=<>
>RADIF: attribute 6, len 6, 00 00 00 02
>RADIF: attribute 7, len 6, 00 00 00 01
>RADIF: attribute 12, len 6, 00 00 05 f4
>RADIF:_freeInfoClassSess
>RADIF: radius type Acct ID = 14
>RADIF: _radiusAcctRequest: type 0 id 14, user name <9:dns-test>
>
>
>What's wrong here? Any help would be appreciated.
>
>Marc
>
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>------------------------------
>
>From: "Todd A. Blank" <todd@thenap.com>
>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:02:11 -0400
>Subject: RE: (ASCEND) CFD, Ascend and CT3?
>
>I am just about to multi-shelve a TNT for the first time, so I can't
>address that issue, but I have been using the CT3 for a while now - I
>would never go back to individual PRI.  I am in a co-location facility
>with alot of other ISPs, including AOL.  In 1/2 of a rack, I terminate
>more capacity than AOL does in half of the room (10 Racks) - and
>generate a fraction of their BTUs (my cLEC loves me for this).  It has
>been very stable for us with one exception.  In 2.1.3 there was a
>problem with D-Channels flapping on the CT3.  2.1.3e13 fixed it, and
>2.1.9 includes the fix.
>
>If you multi-shelve soon, let me know how it goes, as I am about to
>embark on the same mission :-)
>
>Hope this helps,
>
>Todd A. Blank
>Columbus NAP, Inc.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jason Nealis [SMTP:nealis@babylon.erols.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 9:40 PM
>> To: ascend-users@bungi.com
>> Subject: (ASCEND) CFD, Ascend and CT3?
>>
>>
>> Will, since be acquired by a CLEC, I get the wonder experience of
>> getting what I want off the switches provided by RCN. So moving
>> forward I'm looking to start multi-shelving TNT"s and terminating
>> a Channizled T3 into a multi-shelf TNT.
>>
>> I'm curious as to just how stable multi-shelving TNT's has proven to
>> be in the "Real World"
>>
>> Jason Nealis
>> Director Internet Operations / Network Access
>> Erols Internet (An RCN Company)
>>
>>
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>------------------------------
>
>From: J-Mag Guthrie <j-mag@brokersys.com>
>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:18:22 -0500 (CDT)
>Subject: Re: (ASCEND) Init string for Motorola Bitsurfr EZ
>
>On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, Jim Logan wrote:
>
>> At 06:21 PM 8/26/98 -0500, you wrote:
>> >Anyone have one?  I've got a guy who can connect to his old ISP just
fine
>> >but not us... I don't see anything obvious.  He's got Win98.
>> >
>> >- J-Mag Guthrie
>>
>>   Is he perhaps forcing MPP or MP and you're system not set up to allow
>> anything but PPP sessions? I know on my BitSurfer Pro's all I use is the
>> standard Windows Driver, and if I want to connect MPP add this under
>> additional settings (Perhaps he has something in there now)
>>
>> Additional Settings:
>>
>> %A2=95 @B0=2   (For MPP)  or @B0=1 (For MP)
>>
>> (The BitSurfer EZ is still an ISDN Modem isn't it?  Not particularly
>> familar with that Model)
>
>Yes, it's a regular ISDN modem and we have no problem supporting MPP for
>other folks.  He already has those settings.  When we bring a terminal
>window up after dialing, he saw garbage instead of a login prompt.
>
>- - J-Mag Guthrie
>
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>------------------------------
>
>From: Joe  Shaw <jshaw@insync.net>
>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:17:44 -0500 (CDT)
>Subject: Re: (ASCEND) Max flooding our ethernet backbone
>
>On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, Gavin Cato wrote:
>
>> I upgraded it to 6.1.7 but that didn't change the situation so I
>> downgraded it back to 6.0.2
>>
>> Any clues?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Gavin Cato
>
>Get a sniffer and find out what is happening on that ethernet segment.
>Also, do you have stacking enabled on the MAX?
>
>Regards,
>Joe Shaw - jshaw@insync.net
>NetAdmin - Insync Internet Services
>"Backhoes never sleep." - Patrick Greenwell
>
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>------------------------------
>
>From: "Kevin A. Smith" <kevin@ascend.com>
>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:00:39 -0700
>Subject: Re: (ASCEND) dns server negotiation?
>
>At 12:36 PM 8/27/98 +0200, Marc Ikemann wrote:
>>Hi,
>>
>>On 25-Aug-98 Kevin A. Smith wrote:
>>
>>>>What are the RADIUS attributes for this DNS server negotiation?
>>
>>>
>>>#    Support DNS server addresses per user
>>>#
>>> ATTRIBUTE Ascend-Client-Primary-DNS      135  ipaddr
>>> ATTRIBUTE Ascend-Client-Secondary-DNS    136  ipaddr
>>> ATTRIBUTE Ascend-Client-Assign-DNS 137   integer
>>
>>does this work for anybody of you? I've tested that with
>>the following profile and 5.0Ap42, 5.0Ap51 and 6.0.10,
>>on a MAX 4000 but I'm not able to assign name servers
>>via RADIUS.
>
>Did you restart the RADIUS daemon after changing the dictionary to include
>these attributes?
>
>
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>
>From: Michael Ferioli <mferioli@isdnet.net>
>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:53:45 +0200
>Subject: (ASCEND) MRTG with BSTDX-8/9000
>
>I am having great difficulty getting MRTG to query CERTAIN MIB
>variables on my Cascade/Ascend BSTDX's.  And, of course, the
>most important MIB variables (cktInOctets, etc.) are the ones
>I can't get.
>
>But I *CAN* get others.  For example, I can get the following:
>
>1.3.6.1.4.1.277.1.3.22.0
>1.3.6.1.4.1.277.1.3.24.0
>1.3.6.1.4.1.277.1.4.2.1.16.slot.port (InOcttes for a physical port)
>1.3.6.1.4.1.277.1.4.2.1.20.slot.port (Outoctes for a physical port)
>
>I CANNOT get:
>
>1.3.6.1.2.1.10.32.2.1.9.if.dlci  (InOctets for a PVC)
>1.3.6.1.2.1.10.32.2.1.7.if.dlci  (OutOctets for a PVC)
>
>I have hacked away at the MRTG code and have realized that the
>Cascade is sending a NULL reply to these queries.  In other
>words, there is a timing loops with a fallback routine.  It
>only goes through the loop once, receives a NULL response and
>exits.  I'm not sure if this is normal behaviour when a box
>does not understand an snmpget.
>
>Anyone offer any help?
>
>Mike
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>
>From: "Mark Brody" <mark@opusnet.com>
>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:12:29 -0700
>Subject: (ASCEND) stacking
>
>We have had a Max 2024 since February that has 1 PRI with one phone number
>for ISDN and analog calls. My plan is to add a 4048 with a Channelized T1.
>I don't want to change my analog users' dialup number. My goal is to use
>the 2024 with the PRI for ISDN and the CT1 on the 4048 for modem calls.
>
>Is it possible to still use the same number? How does this work?
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>
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>| Opus Creative Group Inc. |
>|   Portland, Oregon USA   |
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>
>From: Joe  Shaw <jshaw@insync.net>
>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:04:10 -0500 (CDT)
>Subject: Re: (ASCEND) stacking
>
>On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, Mark Brody wrote:
>
>> We have had a Max 2024 since February that has 1 PRI with one phone
number
>> for ISDN and analog calls. My plan is to add a 4048 with a Channelized
T1.
>> I don't want to change my analog users' dialup number. My goal is to use
>> the 2024 with the PRI for ISDN and the CT1 on the 4048 for modem calls.
>>
>> Is it possible to still use the same number? How does this work?
>
>Depends on your telco and if they'll allow you to do this.  We have PRI
>provisioned for data and PRI for voice, but in the same hunt group so that
>you can dial the same number, but will be routed to the appropriate NAS to
>take the call.  Your best bet is to talk to your telco.
>
>Regards,
>Joe Shaw - jshaw@insync.net
>NetAdmin - Insync Internet Services
>"Backhoes never sleep." - Patrick Greenwell
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>
>From: "Todd A. Blank" <todd@thenap.com>
>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:11:55 -0400
>Subject: (ASCEND) Fatal Error's on 2.1.9
>
>> How is it affecting the operation of the box?  I am thinking of moving
>> to 2.1.9 tonight.  Should I wait?  I am pretty anxious, because
>> accounting is broken in the 2.1.3e13 release I told you about RE:
>> CT3.  I see tons of "Backoff Queue Full - discarding user xxxx"
>> messages in my log.  It is not wrinting accounting records to AAC
>> running on BSDi.  It was under 1.3Ap28 (the last rock solid release I
>> remember).
>>
>> I would love to fix the accounting stuff, but not at the cost of
>> stability.  I am running an almost identical config on the TNT in
>> question, except it has 12 PRI on a CT3, 2 digital trunks on an 8T1
>> and 100MB ethernet.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Todd A. Blank
>> Columbus NAP, Inc.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jason Nealis [SMTP:nealis@babylon.erols.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 1998 2:52 AM
>> To: ascend-users@bungi.com
>> Subject: (ASCEND) Fatal Error's on 2.1.9
>>
>>
>> Well, I've had a couple of these now :
>>
>> SYSTEM IS UP:  Index: 100  Revision: 2.1.9  Shelf 1 (tntsr)
>>         Date: 08/25/1998.       Time: 21:52:34
>>
>>
>>        WARNING:  Index: 106  Revision: 2.1.9  Slot 1/9 (tntmdm56k)
>>         Date: 08/26/1998.       Time: 08:40:09
>>         Location: 100b7b28 100b05b8 1006f250 00000000 00000000
>> 00000000
>>
>>
>>    FATAL ERROR:  Index:   8  Revision: 2.1.9  Slot 1/9 (tntmdm56k)
>>         Date: 08/26/1998.       Time: 08:42:32
>>         Location: 10073f50 00000000 1007490c 10073ff8 10073484
>> 100734e4
>>
>> Config is 12 PRI's, w/ 32M Dram card. Not Running NFAS.
>>
>>
>>
>> Watch out :)
>>
>> Jason Nealis
>> Director Internet Operations / Network Access
>> Erols Internet (An RCN Company)
>>
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>
>From: Bosco Tsang <bosco@ipoline.com>
>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:42:35 -0400
>Subject: (ASCEND) 4048 V6.1.7 MPP problem
>
>Hi,
>
>Anyone have experienced ISDN connection problem after upgraded to V6.1.7?
>(seems a standand formatted question for every upgraded code since V.6.1 :(
>just wonder why can't they release a stable code for ones).
>
>On the max upgraded to 6.1.7, there seems to be login problems with all MPP
>(128K ISDN) connections. Some may works while connecting to 64K but when
>enabled the 128K then hang. Some may works with 128K but when another 128K
>logs in then all hang. Also there are duplicate IPs, for example, domain1
>will show 111.222.333.200, domain2 will also show 111.222.333.200 from the
>"show users" in the terminal sessions (in fact, domain1 should be
>192.168.0.1 (local) and domain2 should be 111.222.333.200. This problem
>disappeared once we have downgrade it back to 6.1.3.
>
>Any idea on what happen, and advice on fix.
>
>Regards,
>Bosco.
>
>Bosco Tsang
>BA, PgD (G.I.S.)
>InterPacific Online
>bosco@ipoline.com
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>
>From: MoZ <mmarquez@netra.net>
>Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:13:27 -0600
>Subject: (ASCEND) String for modem
>
>Hi, I'm ISP from Mexico, we have a MAX 4000 with modems V.90 but we need a
>string for MODEM Sony 56 KFlex Model RCWDL56ACFL ( PCMCIA ).
>
>Does anyody has the string?
>
>Thanks
>
>
>Ing. Mario Marquez
>Soporte Técnico
>*** Netra S.A de C.V. ***
>http://www.netra.net
>(015) 387.1400 ext 5105
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>
>From: "Michael Johnson" <mjohnson@ou.edu>
>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:16:40 -0500
>Subject: (ASCEND) NFAS examples?
>
>Could I get a configuration example of NFAS?
>
>I've read through the FAQs, been listening to the conversation in the
>mailing list and have searched through the printed documentation and I
think
>I have a good start on setting up NFAS to work for my configuration, but
>since I've never done this before I would like a sanity check on what I am
>attempting to do.  An example of NFAS in the FAQs would have been helpful
>instead of just one PRI and how to set it up. (hint)
>
>
>A little background:
>
>My system is a MAXTNT with:
> 2 8-portT1 cards.
> 1 (4 10bt)Ethernet/(1 100bt)FastEthernet card
> 5 48-port 56K modem cards
>
>I've orded 11 PRI's, two with D-channels (the first and the last for
primary
>and backup).
>Very soon my PRIs will be hooked up and turned on, so I am studying the
>configuration of the PRIs to prepare for this.
>Here is what I have gathered about how I need these configured and what I
>have come up with based on what I've been reading.
>
>I only have 240 modems ( 5 x 48 port cards = 240 modems ), so 22 channels
of
>one PRI are not used.
>
>My allocation of the interfaces on the two 8-port t1 cards:
>Slot 1:
>T1 { 1 1 1 }    1-23 B
>                  24 D (primary D)
>T1 { 1 1 2 }    1-24 B
>T1 { 1 1 3 }    1-24 B
>T1 { 1 1 4 }    1-24 B
>T1 { 1 1 5 }    1-24 B
>T1 { 1 1 6 }    1-24 B
>T1 { 1 1 7 }    1-24 B
>T1 { 1 1 8 }    1-24 B
>Slot 2:
>T1 { 1 2 1 }    1-24 B
>T1 { 1 2 2 }    1-24 B
>T1 { 1 2 3 }       1 B
>                2-23 unused
>                  24 D (secondary/backup D)
>
>This comes out to be 240 B channels, 2 D-channels (primary/backup) and 22
>unused.
>
>This is my primary D-Channel on T1 { { 1 1 1 } 24 }
>
>[in T1/{ shelf-1 slot-1 1 }:line-interface:channel-config[24]]
>channel-usage = nfas-primary-d-channel
>trunk-group = 9
>phone-number = ""
>call-route-info = { any-shelf any-slot 0 }
>nailed-group = 1
>
>T1  { 1 1 2 } thru  T1 { 1 2 2 } are basically default.. all 24 channels
>used for calls.
>
>T1  { 1 2 3 } channel 2 thru 23 are similar to this:
>
>[in T1/{ shelf-1 slot-2 3 }:line-interface:channel-config[2]]
>channel-usage = unused-channel
>trunk-group = 9
>phone-number = ""
>call-route-info = { any-shelf any-slot 0 }
>nailed-group = 1
>
>
>This is my secondary (backup?) D-channel on T1 { { 1 2 3 } 24 }
>
>[in T1/{ shelf-1 slot-2 3 }:line-interface:channel-config[24]]
>channel-usage = nfas-secondary-d-channel
>trunk-group = 9
>phone-number = ""
>call-route-info = { any-shelf any-slot 0 }
>nailed-group = 1
>
>
>My questions are:
>
>Any suggestions on the design, does it sound sane?
>Does using NFAS affect the "trunk-group" settings?  If so, how?
>What settings do I need for nfas-group-id and nfas-id to do what I need?
>I will have only one phone number for the entire modempool, do I need this
>number in all of the "phone-number" settings so that each channel will be
>able to answer this line?
>The "secondary" D channel is the "backup" D channel correct?  I've heard it
>both ways and just want clarification.  My understanding is that the backup
>D is not used unless the primary D goes down?
>Do I need to specify any call-routing options?
>
>
>Michael Johnson
>
>Network Specialist - Telecommunications - University of Oklahoma
>phone: 405.325.6290  fax: 405.325.7483  h323: 129.15.3.30  email:
>mjohnson@ou.edu
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>
>From: Jason Nealis <nealis@babylon.erols.com>
>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:39:39 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Re: (ASCEND) Fatal Error's on 2.1.9
>
> So far not really any issues except for that single FE, It
>caused a reset of the modem card and dumped those users, but
>since then things have been running pretty good, I'll see
>how things perform through prime time tonight.
>
>Jason Nealis
>Director Internet Operations / Network Access
>Erols Internet (An RCN Company)
>
>
>On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, Todd A. Blank wrote:
>
>> > How is it affecting the operation of the box?  I am thinking of moving
>> > to 2.1.9 tonight.  Should I wait?  I am pretty anxious, because
>> > accounting is broken in the 2.1.3e13 release I told you about RE:
>> > CT3.  I see tons of "Backoff Queue Full - discarding user xxxx"
>> > messages in my log.  It is not wrinting accounting records to AAC
>> > running on BSDi.  It was under 1.3Ap28 (the last rock solid release I
>> > remember).
>> >
>> > I would love to fix the accounting stuff, but not at the cost of
>> > stability.  I am running an almost identical config on the TNT in
>> > question, except it has 12 PRI on a CT3, 2 digital trunks on an 8T1
>> > and 100MB ethernet.
>> >
>> > What do you think?
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance,
>> >
>> > Todd A. Blank
>> > Columbus NAP, Inc.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Jason Nealis [SMTP:nealis@babylon.erols.com]
>> > Sent: Thursday, August 27, 1998 2:52 AM
>> > To: ascend-users@bungi.com
>> > Subject: (ASCEND) Fatal Error's on 2.1.9
>> >
>> >
>> > Well, I've had a couple of these now :
>> >
>> > SYSTEM IS UP:  Index: 100  Revision: 2.1.9  Shelf 1 (tntsr)
>> >         Date: 08/25/1998.       Time: 21:52:34
>> >
>> >
>> >        WARNING:  Index: 106  Revision: 2.1.9  Slot 1/9 (tntmdm56k)
>> >         Date: 08/26/1998.       Time: 08:40:09
>> >         Location: 100b7b28 100b05b8 1006f250 00000000 00000000
>> > 00000000
>> >
>> >
>> >    FATAL ERROR:  Index:   8  Revision: 2.1.9  Slot 1/9 (tntmdm56k)
>> >         Date: 08/26/1998.       Time: 08:42:32
>> >         Location: 10073f50 00000000 1007490c 10073ff8 10073484
>> > 100734e4
>> >
>> > Config is 12 PRI's, w/ 32M Dram card. Not Running NFAS.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Watch out :)
>> >
>> > Jason Nealis
>> > Director Internet Operations / Network Access
>> > Erols Internet (An RCN Company)
>> >
>> >
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>
>From: "John Coy (anc.net)" <jcoy@anc.net>
>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:58:13 -0500
>Subject: (ASCEND) For sale: Ascend Pipeline 25-1U-FX
>
>I accidentally ordered a P25-1U-FX a long time ago
>thinking it was something else.  Now it's a paperweight.
>I would like to sell it to anybody dirt cheap.  It
>is essentially brand new -- never been used and still in
>it's original container.
>
>The model is P25-1U-FX - you can get more information
>from http://www.ascend.com/201.html
>
>I'm asking $250 paid by credit card only and I'll pay
>the FEDEX 2-day shipping.  Call (501) 443-6444, select
>sales from the menu, and mention you're interested in
>buying the Pipeline 25.  Or, you can send
>email to sales@arkansas.net.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
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>
>From: "Kevin A. Smith" <kevin@ascend.com>
>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:35:36 -0700
>Subject: Re: (ASCEND) Fatal Error's on 2.1.9
>
>At 02:52 AM 8/27/98 -0400, Jason Nealis wrote:
>>
>>Well, I've had a couple of these now :
>>
>>SYSTEM IS UP:  Index: 100  Revision: 2.1.9  Shelf 1 (tntsr)
>>        Date: 08/25/1998.       Time: 21:52:34
>>
>>
>>       WARNING:  Index: 106  Revision: 2.1.9  Slot 1/9 (tntmdm56k)
>>        Date: 08/26/1998.       Time: 08:40:09
>>        Location: 100b7b28 100b05b8 1006f250 00000000 00000000 00000000
>>
>>
>>   FATAL ERROR:  Index:   8  Revision: 2.1.9  Slot 1/9 (tntmdm56k)
>>        Date: 08/26/1998.       Time: 08:42:32
>>        Location: 10073f50 00000000 1007490c 10073ff8 10073484 100734e4
>
>A couple...does that mean on different TNTs or different MDM cards? If not,
>have you tried swapping out the card?
>
>
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>
>From: MoZ <mmarquez@netra.net>
>Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:37:32 -0600
>Subject: (ASCEND) String for modem
>
>Hi, I'm ISP from Mexico, we have a MAX 4000 with modems V.90 but we need a
>string for MODEM Sony 56 KFlex Model RCWDL56ACFL ( PCMCIA ).
>
>Does anyody has the string?
>
>Thanks
>
>
>Ing. Mario Marquez
>Soporte Técnico
>*** Netra S.A de C.V. ***
>http://www.netra.net
>(015) 387.1400 ext 5105
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>
>From: "Jeremy T. Bouse" <undrgrid@undergrid.net>
>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:04:41 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Re: (ASCEND) For sale: Ascend Pipeline 25-1U-FX
>
>- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
>Hey John,
>
> Is the 25-1U-FX the model with the POTS port(s) or not? Can't
>remember which P25 model had POTS jack on it...
>
> Hope you're doin okay... BTW, check out the press release,
>http://www.ascend.com/3251.html, it's about the company I work for...
>
> Respectfully,
> Jeremy T. Bouse
> Sr. System Administrator
> SouthNet TeleComm Services, Inc.
>
>On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, John Coy (anc.net) wrote:
>
>> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:58:13 -0500
>> From: "John Coy (anc.net)" <jcoy@anc.net>
>> To: ascend-users@bungi.com
>> Subject: (ASCEND) For sale: Ascend Pipeline 25-1U-FX
>>
>> I accidentally ordered a P25-1U-FX a long time ago
>> thinking it was something else.  Now it's a paperweight.
>> I would like to sell it to anybody dirt cheap.  It
>> is essentially brand new -- never been used and still in
>> it's original container.
>>
>> The model is P25-1U-FX - you can get more information
>> from http://www.ascend.com/201.html
>>
>> I'm asking $250 paid by credit card only and I'll pay
>> the FEDEX 2-day shipping.  Call (501) 443-6444, select
>> sales from the menu, and mention you're interested in
>> buying the Pipeline 25.  Or, you can send
>> email to sales@arkansas.net.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
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>>
>
>    Jeremy T. Bouse - SouthNet TeleComm Services, Inc - www.STSI.net
>  PGP ID/Fingerprint: 1024/E83D9AE5/4ACC03F098D78198  19D0593E50E597E9
> Public PGP key available by sending email with 'send pgpkey' in subject
>     undrgrid@UnderGrid.net - NIC Whois: JB5713 - undrgrid@STSI.net
>          /earth is 98% full ... please delete anyone you can.
>
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