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Re: [TCLUG:4588] Gnome
I personally run WindowMaker; it takes about 5 seconds from startx to
usable on my P2-266. That's only loading 3 transparent aterm's and a
background, but still..
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Nate Carlson
the infinite loop
natecars@infiniteloop.com
On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Steve Siegfried wrote:
>
> Neil,
>
> Even "~80 seconds" for a KDE "startx" on a P120 is nothing to brag about.
>
> I normally run twm on my P100, where 7 xterms, 4 copies of coolmail (I use
> procmail), a clock, pretty root "wallpaper" (via xloadimage), xscreensaver
> and a pop-up xterm with fortune in it only takes 16 seconds (and that's
> when I timed it in the second virtual display, so I wouldn't loose my trn
> thread).
>
> Not to be a knuckle-dragger or anything, but is the extra eye-candy you get
> with stuff like KDE or Gnome worth what you have to pay in extra paging and
> slow performance? I don't think so.
>
> Good, fast, cheap... pick any two'idly,
>
> -S
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> \'o.O' | You can add titanium wheels to | Steve Siegfried
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>
> Neal Tovsen wrote:
> >
> > I don't want to start a KDE vs. gnome battle (PLEASE, don't!), but in the
> > interest of your friend, you might try KDE. I'm running KDE on a P-120 on
> > the desk behind me with 16Mb of RAM with no problems. Just timed it with my
> > watch: ~80 seconds from "startx" to full desktop with a kterm, though when
> > you start running a big app like Netscape, it starts disk-swapping a lot. My
> > 120 with 48Mb is a little faster with almost no disk swapping, and my
> > K6-2/350 with 128Mb...well, you get the picture!
> >
> > It's still not a speed-demon, but probably a LOT better than the trouble
> > you're having. It has also been quite stable, with no KDE-related crashes
> > since 1.0 came out. Our previous discussion also indicates that you can
> > still have gnome/GTK libs installed to run those apps too. I have to say I'm
> > reasonably impressed with most of the K apps. I haven't found anything SUPER
> > cool, but the basics are very solid and compatible. It's also super-friendly
> > for people with Win95 experience (they ripped it off), and I even just read
> > an article where (*gasp*) a Mac user found it acceptable! Over-all, it isn't
> > the coolest or most fashionable thing like Enlightenment on gnome, but it's
> > very solid and usable. That's probably more important for a newbie who wants
> > something simple to setup/use.
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > Neal
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@yaron.org]
> > > Sent: Monday, March 08, 1999 4:14 PM
> > > To: tclug-list@listserv.real-time.com
> > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:4588] Gnome
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Michael Hicks wrote:
> > >
> > > > Unfortunately, Gnome isn't the greatest speed demon on the planet.. I
> > > > think the 1.0 release takes longer to start than some other recent
> > > > versions, but I might just be imagining things..
> > >
> > > Not the fasters is an understatement.
> > >
> > > The reason I'm looking at it is I've got to setup Linux for a friend who
> > > lives kinda far away (Chicago), and I'm trying to make it as simple as
> > > possible for her... waiting over 2 minutes for Gnome to start is not a
> > > good thing.
> > >
> > > > It helps to have plenty of memory (I have 64MB, and it looks like it's
> > > > getting a bit tight... *sigh*), and a decent speed processor (I ran
> > > > Gnome 0.99.x on a P166 without complaints.. Now I have an K6-2 333, so
> > > > it's better than it was..
> > >
> > > I've got 128MB, and a K6-2/300, and it took 2 minutes, during which the
> > > CPU was not heavily loaded, and memory consumption did not go up wildly.
> > > It was running and releasing things.. I'll look at it again when I get
> > > home.
> > >
> > > My friend's got an old Pentium/133. Guess Gnome's not going to be working
> > > for her, is it (:
> > >
> > > > Heh.. if that happens, you may want to whack your ~/.gnome directory,
> > > > or maybe only some of the files in there.
> > >
> > > Yeah, except I don't know which. I assumed that's where Gnome hides all
> > > it's config files, like what's on the panel.
> > >
> > > > Window Maker is not fully Gnome compliant (although I think they said
> > > > they were..)
> > >
> > > Yup, they most certainly did.
> > >
> > > > I run Enlightenment, which is definitely improved from earlier versions,
> > > > but still has it's problems..
> > >
> > > I remember trying to run Enlightenment on a 486 (: Anyway, I'm not really
> > > an E fan.. maybe when they get to a lean, stable version. Still, it LOOKS
> > > great.
> > >
> > > > I know that gmc is highly unstable, but I haven't had many problems with
> > > > gnome-session. I have heard that gnome-session doesn't talk well with
> > > > apps running as root, so if you were just testing as root, I'd recommend
> > > > testing as a user.
> > >
> > > The only thing I do as root is compile/install things. I don't really know
> > > what gmc is - it crashed while trying to play... uh... one of the games, I
> > > forget which. And while moving things around. And when the cat sneezed in
> > > the other room...
> > >
> > >
> > > -Yaron
> > >
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