Were you around when _that_ was the complaint ? There are many answers to this problem, as you can see from this thread, everyone has different ideas - we all have the same goal. We *did* have longer release times in the past, and didn't make patches available (except to targeted customers who had to sign beta agreement forms). That was not acceptable either...so we made those BETA releases available to everyone with a few README disclaimers....they were sometimes too unstable... so we got different complaints... Then we split the branch to patch and incrementals....trying to keep only bug-fixes in the patch branch and new features only in the incrementals branch. ONCE AGAIN that was not good enough - we were asked to add new features to "stable" patch releases - so now we *occasionally* add enhancements to patch releases. More complaints? - You bet ! We are trying to do the best to satisfy the largest number of customers, so some will not agree on our methods or approach, we cannot please everyone from what I've seen so far (and I've been doing this now since the VERY early days of Ascend - 7 years ago). As I mentioned a few weeks ago, we are working on a more methodical approach to software releases - all taking into consideration what you guys have been telling us. The releases will likely come out more staggered - so the time-to- market complaints will likely be back, but the level of stability will hopefully be increased in both patch and feature releases. I suspect that we will announce/make available the details when 6.0 is released, but I have no firm date for when that will be yet. Kevin ++ Ascend Users Mailing List ++ To unsubscribe: send unsubscribe to ascend-users-request@bungi.com To get FAQ'd: <<A HREF="http://www.nealis.net/ascend/faq">http://www.nealis.net/ascend/faq</A>> </PRE> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <HR> <STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A HREF="msg10921.html">Re: (ASCEND) 5.0Ap34</A></STRONG></LI> <UL> <LI><EM>From</EM>: Jorge Paramo <jorge@mail.iserv.net></LI> </UL> <LI><STRONG><A HREF="msg10933.html">Re: (ASCEND) 5.0Ap34</A></STRONG></LI> <UL> <LI><EM>From</EM>: Jason Nealis <nealis@babylon.erols.com></LI> </UL> </UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <HR> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg10983.html">Re: (ASCEND) BGP 4 (Max 6000)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg10980.html">(ASCEND) RADIUS filters on the p400</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg10933.html">Re: (ASCEND) 5.0Ap34</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg10935.html">Re: (ASCEND) 5.0Ap34</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="maillist.html#10982"><STRONG>Main</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thrd245.html#10982"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> </BODY> </HTML>