> At 08:26 AM 11/25/97 -0700, Joseph Hickman wrote: > >On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Matt Holdrege wrote: > > > >[snip] > >> No Cisco router can come close to what the GRF can do. It's a joke to even > > > > I doubt that. Just because it's the competition doesn't mean > >they can't match or surpass you. > > Agreed, they might one day have a product to compare (the 12000?). Currently > they don't (my opinion too :-). The 7200 compares. I've had them both in my network and the 7200 wins hands down. For access equipment, even with all the MAX problems they still beat the AS5200 in every category. There's nothing more flexible or as robust as the MAX line, although Livingston does make a good box. > > That's one of the first rules of the > >road. It's not a joke to compare them, especially when it's my job to do > >that. > > But Matt has a valid opinion, he didn't say you *can't* compare. Maybe you > didn't like how he replied to _you_, in that case you could have made a > private > reply to him...give him chance to explain. > > On the list, we discuss stuff like this, but it's not meant to be a formal > ask-Ascend list, that's what Customer Service/Support is for. We should > discuss > merits and features and details, not "tone of voice". Agreed. > >You might not like it, you might not even care, but I am the > >customer. Make me happy or you make me leave. > > Hmm. It doesn't seem likely to happen when you have already decided that a > mid-end Cisco can compare to the GRF. Most other people compare it to the > high end stuff and even stuff that they are still yet to make....I have > to admit that I would smile too when told that a mid-end Cisco compares to > the GRF *UNLESS* you're making an apples/oranges comparison... > > >What is a joke is your > >comment that it's a joke to compare. Either you don't know anything about > >customer service or you chose to ignore it. > > This is NOT customer service. This is a discussion list. We are mostly > engineers, not Customer Service representatives. You *are* allowed to > disagree - all we ask is to avoid profanity and personal attacks. > > >> try to compare them. The highest end Cisco router costs far more than a > >> GRF. And Cisco has a fair amount of BGP bugs which may or may not affect > >> you. > > > > The Ascend Maxen series have a fair amount of bugs too that may > >or may not affect me. > > True. Conclusion: Everyone has bugs.....even Cisco ;) > > >I'm not looking for the highest end Cisco. I'm > >looking for something that compares. > > On what terms : performance/features/price? > > >And the Cisco router they had me > >look at was comparable to the GRF and about $20K less. > > And that was.....? > > >I can assure you > >that we looked at that with more than just a raised eyebrow. > > Now let's all raise our eyebrows...WHAT WAS IT ??????? > > "They resell Ascend equipment", so they presumably also think the Ascend > stuff > fits better in other cases.... > > Kevin ++ Ascend Users Mailing List ++ To unsubscribe: send unsubscribe to ascend-users-request@bungi.com To get FAQ'd: <<A HREF="http://www.nealis.net/ascend/faq">http://www.nealis.net/ascend/faq</A>> </PRE> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <STRONG>Follow-Ups</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A HREF="msg11338.html">Re: (ASCEND) BGP 4 ?</A></STRONG></LI> <UL> <LI><EM>From</EM>: Kevin Smith <kevin@ascend.com></LI> </UL> </UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A HREF="msg10995.html">Re: (ASCEND) BGP 4 ?</A></STRONG></LI> <UL> <LI><EM>From</EM>: Kevin Smith <kevin@ascend.com></LI> </UL> </UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <HR> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg11048.html">RE: (ASCEND) BGP 4 ? (fwd)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg11040.html">Re: (ASCEND) Max 220?</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg07697.html">(ASCEND) What the big ones do</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="mail12.html#11045"><STRONG>Main</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="threads.html#11045"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> </BODY> </HTML>