>Ascend probably makes more money than other router companies on the >Quake issue. Ascend routers run quake just fine when no address >translation is used. Ascend's multi-ip address NAT mode works great >too. What more can other router companies offer? Quake doesn't work on >any single-ip address based proxy. What I was pointing out was that the question posed by Jake Messinger was not the correct question to ask in this sort of situation. His remark was: Yah right, Like Ascend is going to add a "quake specific" feature. How much revenue do you think they make just on quake players? My point is that there are LOTS of brain-damaged, non RFC-compliant, quirky piles of very poorly written software out there. Most can be ignored as "broken". There are SOME that qualify as "killer apps", and Quake is a good example. Quake (and other net games) are good for business. They clearly differentiate the garage operations from the mil-spec operations, so gaming is where a well-equipped ISP shines. Quake (all by itself) likely "sells" quite a few ISDN modems. Ascend sells such devices. The full solution to the problem is left to the reader, and should be obvious even to the casual observer. Even the Secretary General of the UN is 65% water. james fischer jfischer@supercollider.com ++ Ascend Users Mailing List ++ To unsubscribe: send unsubscribe to ascend-users-request@bungi.com To get FAQ'd: <<A HREF="http://www.nealis.net/ascend/faq">http://www.nealis.net/ascend/faq</A>> </PRE> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <STRONG>Follow-Ups</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A HREF="msg10385.html">Re: (ASCEND) Quake/QW and Pipeline 75 and NAT</A></STRONG></LI> <UL> <LI><EM>From</EM>: Jason Eggleston <jason@jet.net></LI> </UL> <LI><STRONG><A HREF="msg10382.html">Re: (ASCEND) Quake/QW and Pipeline 75 and NAT</A></STRONG></LI> <UL> <LI><EM>From</EM>: Jake Messinger <jake@ams.com></LI> </UL> <LI><STRONG><A HREF="msg10381.html">(ASCEND) Max 4030 reboot</A></STRONG></LI> <UL> <LI><EM>From</EM>: "Oliver J. Albrecht" <olli@spike.allcon.net></LI> </UL> </UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <HR> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg10376.html">Re: (ASCEND) Quake/QW and Pipeline 75 and NAT</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg10372.html">Re: (ASCEND) Pri for ISDN and Analog</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg10360.html">Re[2]: (ASCEND) Quake/QW and Pipeline 75 and NAT</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg10381.html">(ASCEND) Max 4030 reboot</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="maillist.html#10375"><STRONG>Main</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thrd226.html#10375"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> </BODY> </HTML>