I think you've missed my point here. Ascend routers don't need a Quake workaround... they already have an "edge" over other routers. Why would Ascend dump more money into the issue? > > Yah right, Like Ascend is going to add a > "quake specific" feature. How much revenue > do you think they make just on quake players? > > My point is that there are LOTS of brain-damaged, non > RFC-compliant, quirky piles of very poorly written > software out there. Most can be ignored as "broken". > There are SOME that qualify as "killer apps", and > Quake is a good example. I agree that Quake is a "killer app", but Ascend already has an advantage for Quake players, and it doesn't envolve molesting the UDP data. > Quake (and other net games) are good for business. They > clearly differentiate the garage operations from the mil-spec > operations, so gaming is where a well-equipped ISP shines. > > Quake (all by itself) likely "sells" quite a few ISDN modems. > Ascend sells such devices. I don't think Quake sells a lot of P75s or P50s. It sells many more ISDN "cards", I'm sure. In those cases, the dialup user gets an IP address from a pool, and there is no problem. In the LAN case, Ascend does a better job of supporting Quake than other companies... so what's the problem? > The full solution to the problem is left to the reader, and > should be obvious even to the casual observer. Careful here :) You imply that Ascend should spend money developing a Quake single IP NAT hack. A simple cost-benefit analysis would show that the Ascend products are superior to other products as far as NAT and Quake are concerned, thus people who care already have a reason to buy an Ascend router over another's. What additional people would be convinced to buy Ascend if they developed a single-ip NAT hack for Quake? Probably next to no one. -- Jason Eggleston SysAdmin, Jet.Net Inc. ++ Ascend Users Mailing List ++ To unsubscribe: send unsubscribe to ascend-users-request@bungi.com To get FAQ'd: <<A HREF="http://www.nealis.net/ascend/faq">http://www.nealis.net/ascend/faq</A>> </PRE> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <HR> <STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A HREF="msg10375.html">Re: (ASCEND) Quake/QW and Pipeline 75 and NAT</A></STRONG></LI> <UL> <LI><EM>From</EM>: James Fischer <jfischer@supercollider.com></LI> </UL> </UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <HR> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg10388.html">(ASCEND) New P75s Won't Load 5.0ai13???</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg10384.html">(ASCEND) MAX TNT with 56K-modem modulation</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg10382.html">Re: (ASCEND) Quake/QW and Pipeline 75 and NAT</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg10376.html">Re: (ASCEND) Quake/QW and Pipeline 75 and NAT</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="maillist.html#10385"><STRONG>Main</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thrd226.html#10385"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> </BODY> </HTML>