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Re: [TCLUG:6331] Re: FW: [TCLUG:6307] thanks
Well, nothing is "all" positive or negative (except maybe in our minds,
theoretically), but this would be the place to go , I think, if you were
looking for "Linux zealots" ;-)
I disagree about one thing, however, and that is about MS bashing:
_mindless_ MS bashing will make us look like zealots, but a well
informed and articulately listing of things you dislike about an MS
product or MS as a company should not. That's not to say it won't be
assumed, but a presumptuous person would think I was a Linux zealot
because I subscribed to this list.
It is also not to say that all critisism on the list is articulate,
informed, or even justified. Perhaps you are right, in essence. We
shouldn't set our sites so low. We should know our enemy from the cloth
of his cap to the heel of his boot. We can seek out every weakness, and
make a loud mockery of only those things that truly deserve it.
Now that, good neighbor, is a zealot talking.
I say these things in jest, but I suspect similar words have fallen from
the lips of zealots in Redmond, Washington. And I don't think they are
joking, not in the least.
:-)
Troy
Larry Greenwald wrote:
>
> You may be right, my wish for a positive instead of negative list may be
> wishful thinking, but I have seen too many references in the trade
> magazines to "Linux zealots" or similar references. The MS bashing
> makes us sound like the Apple MacIntosh bigots of years past. "The Mac
> is the only computer everything else is junk." That kind of attitude
> lowers our credibility. The fact that Microsoft has had to take notice
> of Linux shows we have something. Do we really need to stoop to the
> name calling level? Aren't we better than that?
>
> Troy Johnson wrote:
> >
> > "Now, now, let's not argue about who bashed who..."
> >
> > I do see this list as a "Celebration of Linux," but I don't think most
> > people think of it as something so narrowly focused that it would not
> > allow someone to make negative comments about some well known and loved
> > software vendor(s). Especially since that vendor seems intent on
> > targeting and discrediting Linux (see some recent list traffic). For me,
> > to say that those negative comments don't belong here is very similar to
> > saying that those comments are what this list is all about: neither is
> > true.
> > I don't think you were trying to piss people off, and I don't think
> > anything is wrong with your arguments. But I think your wish for a
> > "negative-Microsoft-comment" free Linux list is truly wishful thinking.
> > But that is just my opinion. :-/
> >
> > Troy
> >
> > Larry Greenwald wrote:
> > >
> > > You are correct Bob, that message was sent from Outlook. This one,
> > > however, is being sent from Netscape Version 4.07 running on a RedHat
> > > 5.2 system upgraded to kernel 2.2.9. I will refrain from turning HTML
> > > on because I am NOT trying to piss anyone off. I have been
> > > playing/working with Linux since Kernel 1.09 or so, and have learned a
> > > lot using it. I also use Microsoft products at home and at work. Each
> > > platform has its strengths and weaknesses. Both have their place in the
> > > scheme of things. I joined TCLUG and this mailing list to continue
> > > learning about Linux and for the most part have been successful. IMHO
> > > if the purpose of this list is the promotion of Linux and lending a
> > > helping hand to others, then Microsoft bashing has no place here. All
> > > that MS bashing will do is drive away the people we are trying to
> > > attract before they even give Linux a real try. The knee jerk reaction
> > > of "that dummy sent a message in HTML, must be a stupid MS user" is
> > > going to drive away a lot of people that could potentially benefit the
> > > group.
> > >
> > > IMHO.
> > >
> > > Larry Greenwald wrote:
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com]
> > > > Sent: Friday, June 04, 1999 8:11 PM
> > > > To: tclug-list@listserv.real-time.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:6307] thanks
> > > >
> > > > VERY simple.
> > > >
> > > > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4
> > > >
> > > > Unless you are being a smartass and putting an header to throw people off
> > > > this
> > > > message was sent with MS mail product.
> > > >
> > > > Of all the email I got that are html they are all windows people runnins MS
> > > > mail products.
> > > >
> > > > Quoting Larry Greenwald (lcgreenwald@twistedpair.net):
> > > > > Excuse me, but what the H--- does using or not using HTML have to do with
> > > > > the fact that this is a Linux mailing list??? The copy of Netscape that I
> > > > > am using on my Linux machine has the option to send e-mail in HTML format.
> > > > > Why do people automatically assume that it was a Microsoft product that
> > > > sent
> > > > > HTML?
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@infiniteloop.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 04, 1999 3:30 PM
> > > > > > To: tclug-list@listserv.real-time.com
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:6307] thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think you should set up a filter (make sure it returns the message to
> > > > > > them, though). It gets _very_ annoying.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----
> > > > > > Nate Carlson
> > > > > > the infinite loop
> > > > > > natecars@infiniteloop.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Bob Tanner wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Quoting Eric Gjerde (gjerde@mn.mediaone.net):
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > <html email cut>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So, should I put a MIME filter into qmail that will reject
> > > > > > emails with MIME
> > > > > > > types of html/text?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have received 24 email messages today to the list that are
> > > > > > html messages,
> > > > > > > since this is a linux mailing list :-) These rogue MTUs like Outlook,
> > > > > > > Exchanged, etc should be configured to use plain text or get the boot?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Comments?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
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